And I never want to return to the Light Crisp Triggers. Depending on what Im wearing I carry a S&W shield or a RMRd CZ P-07. At 25, to hit the bull, Ive got to line the sights at the very top of the target (top of the paper, not the outside ring) to hit the bullseye. I find the P365 to be jumpy and I really have to concentrate to shoot accurately. With 15,000 rounds through a Beretta Nano and shooting the others in comparison in a test at my gun club. The P938 is a single-action only pistol, meaning that the hammer must be cocked manually before each shot. Its also the widest gun here. Never forget that Gatson Glock is a old plastic expert that made fine curtain rods. I suppose the Ruger Max is about the same. Its remarkable, really, to pack so much into such small pistols. Im Jewish and I approve the perfectly benign lead photo. For my Max 9 I just snap the pin catch lever down, hold the slide at the point where the pin comes out with the pin exit facing down, and gently tap it on the cleaning mat, and it falls right out. LC9's is a slim lightweight reliable gun with the right holster. The Hellcat also has a number of features that make it a good choice for concealed carry. Its much closer to the symbol that was revered around the world for thousands of years right up until it was co-opted by the worst people to ever live. The Taurus is only a little bit bigger than those four, feels great in the hand, and will be much easier to conceal and carry than our blocky Springfield XD and XDm, which was our one major requirement for this purchase. The Hellcat vs Hellcat micro debate is one that has been around for quite some time. Wheres the Glock 43x (capable of 15 rounds in a similar size) or the Taurus G3C which is optics ready and feature rich? With the LC9s you have to align the notch in the slide with the pin to push the pin out. I specifically mentioned the Daily Beast for a reason. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. A very unscientific, but hopefully helpful comparison.https://www.patreon.com/gunsandthegospel Its like the Pepe the frog controversy. Gunms should be evaluated on how well they can be thrown, with no ammunition thats there only asset. This really is not a matter of much opinion. Hellcat mags are listed at 28.95 x 10 magazines = $290 Anyway, three years later and the P365 still feels the smallest of these four handguns. Yep, the adversary is already likely a crook, and probably got into somebodys ammo cache at his last home hit. It provides more grip and control than appearances might suggest, yet it wont scratch up or overly irritate the tender princess skin on your hip. The 938 is also a serialized frame the 365 is a serialized trigger module. Your email address will not be published. Heads-Up Comparison: P365 vs. Hellcat vs. MAX-9 vs. M&P9 Shield Plus, Police Are Losing Credibility in the Gun World, Two of Smith & Wessons 90s Stainless Metallic Fantastics, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, Gun Review: Henry U.S. They were never engaging in good faith. There has been some variability in P365 trigger pull quality. Better sights, more configuration options with fewer gunsmith fees (like AR15s, you can do it) better future expansion with potentially easier upgrades. Oct 14, 2022. Im not going to list starting cost for guns when it only applies to like 0.3% of the people who buy them and it includes hundreds of dollars in completely optional products, though. Did I mention the 365 is a real slab side slide, vs the channeled and relieved 938? The Hellcat has a polymer frame and a stainless steel slide, and it comes with tritium night sights. Holy heck is it short and crisp with an insanely short, crisp reset as well. Its accurate, reliable, and easy to carry. They then proceeded to do the same thing with the OK symbol. For an MSRP premium of just $30, youd be silly not to buy the optics-ready Hellcat. No matter which model you choose, the P938 is a great gun. It says much more about those who see dark portents and symbols everywhere than about those who innocently publish the photo. Im not a dedicated convert to optics on pistols, but I have a Holosun 507k on the Max 9 and it seems to be a good combo. Its one of the most open, libertarian-minded groups of people in the country and we welcome everyone who wants to exercise their 2A rights. My thumbs tend to pin them down when firing, so the slide never locks back to the rear anyway. Taurus G2 and G3 arent micro-compacts. 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Tried the Hellcat, GC3, G2, 938, HK VP9SK. Ultimately theyre sub-compacts (which is how both companies define them), not micro-compacts. You geta solid 12 round grip without mag movement, slightly bigger beavertail, and improved mag insertion area which is both straight, and flared/funneled. Sig Sauer P938 Nitron 9Mm 3" Ma Compliant Springfield Armory Hellcat 3In Micro-Compact 9Mm Pistol (Hc9319B). Really the same issues over again. One thing about the Sig magazines I hate is that they rust. Back to the Shield, IMO the slide serrations are just fine, you are nitpicking. No plans getting any of them. Both of these guns are ultra-compact doublestacks - truly. Don't go through all I did, just get the P365X or XL. Which one should you choose? That said, the manual safety on the Ruger MAX-9 is just right. My Jewish great grandparents fled Poland and Austria. It is also a semi-automatic pistol, so if you are looking for a gun to use for self-defense, the Hellcat may be a better option. In heads-up articles like this in the future, however, I will list magazine cost as a separate note and people can factor that in as they please. Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. Sig 365 vs Hellcat vs Sig P938 vs Glock 43 vs Kel Tec PF-9 Accuracy Test MSFT PISTOLS OF THE WEEK. A good rule of thumb for a pocket gun is to have a heavy trigger or manual safety as to not blow off your wedding tackle. This is a pet peeve of mine, but Im always annoyed by TTAG listing the MSRPs of the firearms, but not the mags. A 1911 is heavier therefore does more damage, stopping power. The gun itself doesnt rust, but all of my mags rusted with minimal exposure to the elements. They are quick to align and rapid on target. Learn the 3 most popular shooting stances & more. We already have an account registered for email address No experience with the Hellcat but if capacity is an issue, I'd look harder at it. There is no external safety on the P365 SAS at this time. My buddy bought a Hellcat when they became available and Ive shot that quite a bit. Sig P365 vs Hellcat | Which Is The Best Micro 9mm Carry Gun For You? The Hellcat is equipped with a trigger safety and a manual safety. It feels like a competition trigger. Yep. Anyway, pushing out that takedown pin is no big deal. Plenty of aftermarket companies produce grip modules, and Sig themselves allows you to mix and match. Type your email address and well send Kel-Tec pistols are generally ok, but Sig, S&W, Springfield, and Ruger are generally better. Especially a goofball g26. The Hellcat also has a GripZone frame that is designed to provide a more comfortable and secure grip. Ive never thought of the M&Ps serrations as sub-par or anything, and theyre without a doubt plenty functional and nothing I would normally complain about, but in this heads-up comparison they simply dont compete on the same level as the P365s and MAX-9s. Chances anyone trying to weave that story isnt actually among the group who was most affected by that symbol as I am. Persoannly Not interested in just a few more rounds. Includes Springfields WASP optic and a Gen 2 refined trigger. Many of the industrys biggest celebrities/influencers/advocates are open members of at least one of the MIPOC/LGBT groups I just mentioned, and theyre every single bit as popular as any straight white male can be because the community embraces them. I think the joints in his fingers and the shape of his palm and thumb joint and such align better with the edges of the grip. Funny, after all this time, the best shooting for me is the Beretta Nano. I want a clean, small gun that I can conceal, fire accurately, and not have to worry about things going wrong in the heat of the moment. It also weighs slightly more than the P938, at 1.1 pounds. As blocky as the Hellcat is, the Shield Plus grip might stand out even more in the other direction. I suspect a lot of other previously praised small 9s will have the same problems in their respective makers lineups once this panic is over. I own about 15 now, but you can never have enough. you a link to reset your password. Its an extremely easy micro-compact to shoot well. I train with this pistol at 10 - 15 yards and get good groups. Why no mention of the Rugers optics-readiness? Dan has put a ton of rounds through this Hellcat and it has proven itself reliable and easy to carry. The only gun missing in the comparison is the G43xMOS, which is really good. I go to my local range about twice a month (once a month since Septembe of 2020, when the ammo shortage really hit locally). At 57 and 160lbs I have a hard time concealing a full size pistol without a lot of clothes. Trigger pull weight is right at three pounds. Im still anti-Springfield. Ive had a 13 round G2 for years with a laser. Ps I see a lot of cheap Luminox watches for sale, and the one thing most sellers do not include is a pic of the lume in the dark. So you like how the P365 looks from behind? The SIG is overpriced for what it is and no Springfields for me, Thanks. Ive also owned just one s&w polymer pistol, an original m&p 9 pro, with around 25,000 rounds through it. If you are going to be carrying a good bit at night, the included night sights of the P938 are a nice feature, but night sights can easily be added to any weapon. Both guns are great for concealed carry, but which is the better option? Designed for deep concealment. No optics, no compensators, no long barrels, just the two most common variants of these guns. In fact, perhaps its too good? The first trip to the range was the real eye opener. Loading that 10 shot mag is no worse than the 6 shot 938 mag which is a direct result of both guns having shorter barrels, higher cyclic speeds, and a very short window to lift the ammo up and prevent an override. Front-to-rear length of the grip frame is also significantly longer than any of the other guns here. The 365 trigger is one which I would most definitely use with a safety. I have three of the Nanos and one now has 14,000 rds down range. 187 Overall By The New England Patriots, LSUs Jarrick Bernard-Converse Drafted No. I will stick with the soft shooting Nano. I also never brought up the fact the P365 and Hellcat had reliability issues from release, thats not very inspiring for a gun you are going to carry everyday. The P365 SAS is all about being low profile with the flush-mount FT Bullseye sight, while the Hellcat OSP sacrifices a bit of concealment ease with dual sighting optionsthe iron sights and miniature reflex sight. Its interesting to hear that you both thought the P-365 was the snappiest shooter of the 4, from my experience (I own both the 365 and the hellcat) the P-365 is softer shooting, most people I know that have shot both feel the same way, and many reviews both written and video seem to agree. $700 is a lot for a small firearm but Shields have a good reputation and you cant put a price on your confidence in a personal defense weapon. If these were normal times the price difference alone makes them far better guns for the price. So, which models are we comparing? I would put on them or above the level the Glock, Glock has been resting on their laurels for a couple of decades. The Hellcat 9mm At A Glance See on Brownells - $469.99 See on Palmetto State Armory - $499.99 SIG offers the safety as an accessory kit, they are moving briskly and getting installed by owners who only need to make a small modification. though a terrible value proposition next to any of these. The writer of the article is doing a comparison off of the base models of each pistol. In the magazine department, the Hellcat takes the lead. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The Hellcat comes with a soft case, a gun lock, and a owners manual. I shot the P365 and the Hellcat. WEIGHT: 16.0 oz. The size and weight specs more or less tell the story of how these four pistols compare on paper, though there is some nuance that cant be seen or felt in these figures. Much of that can be chalked up to it having the smallest grip circumference. On a related note; all of the reviews Ive watched/read on the Shield Plus (outside of this one) measured the trigger between 4.5 and 5.5 lbs. The Hellcat is an excellent choice for concealed carry. Well its technically its not even that, its just close enough that people not in the know could mistake it. Both guns are very similar in their ergonomics. Funny thing. in that gun, softer shooting ammo = slower cyclic speeds = more time to lift the ammo, and lighter ammo lifts faster. Again, great article. The main benefit of this is that the front of the weapon stays very slim, making it a little more comfortable to conceal. Specifications: Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm Pistol Height: 4 (flush magazine), 4.5 (extended magazine) Barrel Length: 3 Overall Length: 6 Width: 1 Capacity: 11+1 (flush magazine), 13+1 (extended magazine) Weight: 17.9 ounces No RDS, not light or laser. Your email address will not be published. The pull is considerably heavier than the P365 but far from bad. However, very few of us will buy ten of them for range trips or competition, simply because its largely NOT purchased for extensive range shooting or long days with a beeper up against your skull. However the Nano, I could have gone on all day. Can use up to the 33 round magazine if you really need capacity. So, which is the better option? The Hellcats tritium front sight with bright green outline is great a lot like the P365s. So I was shocked to find one on sale for $427 and decided it was too good a deal to pass up. There are a few things to consider when deciding whether to purchase a Hellcat or a SIG P365. No matter which gun you choose, be sure to take the time to learn how to use it properly and practice regularly. I havent found a better concealed combo. With little exception theyre the same just buy what is the MOST EXPENSIVE to ensure that you have bragging rights. Frankly, its hollow, unused polymer in the heel of the Shield Plus and I think they should have bobtailed the thing hard. Frankly, if I made a pistol like this (and didnt care about lefties) Id design the left side of the grip to be extra comfortable and the back, front, and right side to be extra grippy. Spent the rest of the gun budget on a shotgun, so now theres a pistol and a long gun in an effective self-defense chambering for everyone in the house. You say the Shield has the best serrations but that you havent even touched the Ruger, which objectively has the best slide serrations. Well, we are keeping it basic. The tapered shape of the Shield Plus grip as it transitions from rounded palm swells down to a somewhat sharply rounded or tapered backstrap sets it apart in this group. I also have a P320 compact and do not discern that much of a difference, especially with a more than double price tag compared to the G2. My nephew playing with a tattoo gun , tattooed a skull above his knee. As mentioned previously, the Shield Plus shoots like a well-sorted sub-compact or maybe even compact pistol. Flawless operation and for such a small gun the 365 was very accurate. This gun is optics-ready and comes with a flat-faced trigger. Its just too square for me. Loved the grip and trigger and watched dozens of reviews leading me to believe it would be the most accurate firearm suitable for conceal (or just plinkin targets or holes in paper). When the trigger does break its clean and crisp. Beats giving your adversary a free gun. The most popular models are the 9mm and .45 ACP versions, but you can also find .380 ACP and .22 LR versions. I would not want a SAO for concealed but i used to carry a Sig P238 and still pissed i sold it. These sig p938 dimensions make the Glock longer (6.5 inches) and the P365 to be shorter (5.8 inches). #1 EDC combo in my opinion. Its not so aggressive that it rubs your body raw or shreds t-shirts, but it does allow for a good purchase. Exactly! Obviously, on a pistol this size, there is no threaded barrel, nor is there an accessory rail. If you are triggering the lefties into making fools of themselves, then your volley is well-placed! No tritium or other flavor of night visibility. Let us know in the comments below. Sort of an intuitive feel for the exact orientation of the gun. I see what yallre talking about, but Im conflicted about changing the image. Which should you choose as your next carry gun? So, you trade it in. Dont believe the Keltec trash talkers, Ive owned four different Keltaec models and theyre all accurate and reliable. Sig makes a laser, Streamlight makes two lightsand thats seemingly it. The downside is, well, predictably the fact that accessories are few and far between. Drag/drop and reorder the handguns to compare on top of eachother, New handguns and the best gun and ammo deals straight to your inbox, SAO Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger, Striker-Fired Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger. I don't want a really light trigger on a cc gun. Its the sharpest and most aggressive of these four pistols, though. Available in FDE or Black. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXldafIl5DQ keep em coming. Its noticeable and its worth mentioning when these pistols are specifically designed to be as skinny, short, and lightweight as they can be. The SIG is 1 inch thick, and the Hellcat's grip is 1 inch wide at the grip. Theyre not the problem. My P11 is piss poor when it comes to accuracy, and very picky with ammunition. Well, I carry the Sig Sauer P365. Though specific units were rock solid, as a whole the P11 wasnt reliable enough to be taken seriously by most concealed carriers and they we instead chose pistols with lower capacities but higher trustworthiness. Were I not Jewish Id be more afraid of criticism of the lead photo, stupid and misplaced as it would still be, but since Im actually in the group that would be aggrieved were this photo any sort of a problem its even easier for me to stand behind its entirely uncontroversial and inoffensive status. Hellcat OSP: Standard model with a 3-inch barrel and 11-round magazine, but is optics ready. I have a hellcat, its awesome I find that the slide gets better over time, run a few hundred rounds in it and clean it everytime I use it during the break in period and it runs very well, however I still find I can aim MUCH better with a Sig P320, Glock19, etc. Ultimately, I came close. The P290 with double action only, and the P938 with the single action only and external safety. Dan and Jeremy could ask for recommendations, pick the top 40, and do a 10 article series. The Walther is way ahead. A few years back I was discussing concealed carry with my local gun store. Like oddball ammo loads, as things return to a newer normal a lot of small lot manufacturing will hit the wayside while makers attempt to completely supply the bigger sellers. Held the new S&W and it felt great. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. The slide has front and rear serrations for easy manipulation. (He did both.) I'm a P365 Fan. Its worth mentioning that the Hellcat remains slightly shorter but also packs one extra round in its 11-round magazine. And it shot so similar to the 365. '+arguments[1].video:'')+"/?url="+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+"&args="+encodeURIComponent(JSON.stringify([].slice.apply(arguments))),e.parentNode.insertBefore(l,e)}})}(window, document, "script", "Rumble"); Rumble("play", {"video":"vd32fh","div":"rumble_vd32fh"}); In the Rumble-hosted video embedded above (direct link HERE), Dan and I both put a full mag through all four of these guns and provide some thoughts and feedback. Deal with it. The Hellcat, on the other hand, is a bit larger and heavier. As the article states, they shoot well above their size class. They also had the Sig in stock. Every single one of these pistols is reliable, accurate, and easy to conceal. Without a doubt, its a very good choice for concealed carry. (I know, tHe p365 Is A BeTtEr ChOiCe blah blah) and the capacity of the hellcat is fantastic. For pocket carry, my choice would be a Springfield 911 9mm or Sig P938. So shes happy and thats really the point. From a practical standpoint it was probably the best weapons purchase I ever made. For those already having a P238, moving to a P938 for jumping up to 9mm while having a familiar feel and operation makes sense. The shield? It weighs just under a pound, making it a very lightweight and easy to carry option. In fact, I replaced the trigger in my Hellcat with one from Apex to make it a little more refined. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. For the vast majority of concealed carriers, its the heel of the grip that prints (pokes into ones cover garment, giving away the fact that an object is underneath) first, before any other part of the gun. Id change the image if any pushback were made in good faith, but that isnt the case. Agree 100% All that said, Id be remiss not to mention that the SIG SAUER P365 was the first to accomplish this feat only if you dont count the KELTEC P11, which was released in 1995 and would absolutely belong in this group were it not discontinued in 2019. If youre looking for a smaller gun thats easy to shoot, the P938 is the better option. I've carried it since and it's a phenomenal gun. Same thing with Taurus, owned around six over time, three needed work. While the grip texture on the Hellcat is similar to that of the P365, the grip shape is not its quite blocky. I carry with Hornady 115 Critical Defense. Also, anyone using a 30 round mag in any Glock should be hung by the neck until dead. How do these two handguns stack up against eachother? Wasnt much difference, but the Hornady feels a little stouter to me. Its the skinniest gun of the group with the second smallest grip circumference, but its taller than the SIG and Springfield, which pair very closely on height and then the Ruger and S&W pair closely at about a third of an inch taller. This is likely due to Rugers rotary sear, which gives the trigger a smooth, rolling break that lacks the more typical feel of take-up followed by a firm wall.. A friend, my main range buddy, owns the Hellcat, so Ive handled and fired it, and I have to agree, that trigger needs a serious upgrade. I've fired several Hellcats, but none have impressed me. . Another important factor to consider is the guns caliber. Sure, its the lightest of the four by a small amount and perhaps it balances slightly differently, but I think these differences are too small to really notice on the range. As for the whole thing, its an opinion piece including your photo. In general, I figure the most expensive thing is probably ammo (especially now), then mags, then the difference in price of the gun. Quick Cash Offer Get Offer We make you an quick cash offer online We find the dealer that offers you the most money Get cash for your gun or do a trade in Side-by-Side Comparison Charts Dont buy any of them. They look good, but theyre so dang shallow theyre barely functional. But which one is the best for you? Out of the 4, only the Sig is modular, which puts it in a class by itself. For me, Im sticking with the original I like the P365 the best. The P365s sights are the same but a little lower profile. I still use it tho.. use it with https://amzn.to/38VqIUy mags, Useful article. Like the familiar Sig Sauer 1911, the. Again though, it was one clear area in which these four pistols differed so I chose to call it out. Considering that the last few times we've done videos on individual micro compact carry guns we get comments asking for opinions on some of the less well-known options, we decided to speed run 5. Sigs texture isnt bad, and the gun stays put. They will however get you on a bad guy pretty quick. Obviously if this is your practice then its a cost you should factor in. The trigger pull is between 5.5 and 7.5 pounds. I like being able to use a full size magazine as a back up. Two SAO vs. a striker fired? The extended 12 round magazine negates that issue. (The slide serrations are merely visual suggestions, but it wasnt hard to rack at all.). In all fairness, I haven't shot one, but the gun just feels topheavy to me. I rather get a normal grip It gives me confidence and I really feel like I can drive the Shield Plus hard, with great control and intuitive knowledge of where the gun is pointing. It seems to be the closest match capability and design-wise. Good article! Of course the hellcats, but dont forget the Glock 42/43. Somewhere a writer for the Daily Beast is sh*ting its pants in excitement as they frantically calling every single other far-left rag about that arrangement of pistols in the top of the article. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. I honestly cant remember any jams or hangups through about a thousand rounds. Author mentions the Kel Tec P11, but the P11 is a hammer fired DAO gun, not a striker fired gun. He got lucky and got one about a month ago. The P365 ranks second for functional slide serrations. It also has a shorter trigger pull, making it easier to shoot. Shoehorning 10+ rounds into a skinny micro-compact was and certainly still is a fantastic recipe for sales success, and, as this very article shows, others have jumped into the fray.
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