California now has the same disease. Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done and is doing? They shipped them the next day and I got them three days from when I ordered them. The same as I do about Monsanto. It is like watching supermarkets (Big Ag) swallow up the local produce markets (Kramer's Corner Peach Shop), and then either take control over and frequently discontinue products I like. That's okay Ed. Period. Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? And that is the reason why I wanted to end this conversation. 0000535474 00000 n --, if I must only bow to Anti-Monsanto preachers or Monsanto marketers.. Whose goal is to"Advance the ethical development and stewardship of the genetic resources of agricultural seed.". You dont even know the reason why Monsanto is buying so many seed companies. With one fell swoop in 2005, Monsanto grabbed approximately 40% of the US vegetable seed market with its acquisition of Seminis. The first time I let it slide because you said you hadn't time to read as much as you would like and were unsure about the accuracy of the sources. You made two comments about me that I feel are not accurate. I was unaware that there are graphs 'trying' to track what they now own. Infowars, the site where the article came from, is not at all what I would consider an unbiased source of information. They seem to have the best germination rate of any seeds I've tried and they have a lot of unusual or less modern plants (like varieties and even species used by Native Americans that you can't find easily elsewhere). One of them I am confused by, and in the other one you say, I'll address first, starting with your quotes which relate to similar questions about me and my issues: " Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? And Im sure that can be useful and beneficial, but sometimes our best strength can become our biggest weakness. 0000510282 00000 n What will Florida be without orange juice? After the material costs, Monsanto get about $0.02 per year from me and it probably costs them $0.03. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. Not Monsanto, nor any company it owns or any company it has ever owned, will sell you GMO seeds. I have no complaint about you personally, only with the incompatibility of our conversational style and how that interferes with us gaining any ground in either of our positions on this issue. If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. [3] Its profits continued to be stable until 1865, when Ferry bought out Gardner's share and took over the company. . Pupilla - Not following you. I choose to evaluate products on a case by case basis rather than be preached to by articles (such as the info one that started this thread) or lobbies (such as those sponsored by lawyers on both sides, or lobbies). Their focus is on preserving varieties of seed that gardeners and farmers bring to North America when their families immigrate (d), and traditional varieties grown by American Indians, Mennonites and the Amish. Get fresh organic and heirloom vegetable, herb and flower seeds. My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. [4] However, Ferry quickly re-organized the company, bought seeds from outside sources and absorbed two smaller seed companies, and the company managed to fill orders for its customers. It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. Ferry Morse Seed Company is one of America's oldest and most trusted garden seed companies. You said it is an emotional issue and I respect that, but it doesn't give anyone the right to say hurtful things like not thinking what you say is important after coming this far. Perhaps they were a little more subtle. And why would someone who likes gardening and natural living work for a company whose stated goals are completely against your values? Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? Find My Store. Seeds were accumulated from local farms, brought to this warehouse by horse-drawn wagons, then bagged and shipped by rail or freight to Detroit. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. Unless you are saying that all information that is critical of Monsanto is false. Who is considering that? But it was encouraging to read about "small-scale breeders who are developing and stewarding regionally suited crop varieties, nurtured in part by the Organic Seed Alliance. Some seed companies try to keep their (conventional) breeding programs going and this is hard because of all the high tech involved in today's breeding. Not because of any dislike for you, but for what I would consider obvious reasons, that the discussion was not constructive, which I said. And to report something that is fearful, is 'using fear as a weapon'? Anyone have any information about that?". :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus., You are splitting hairs. [3] A. E. F. White, John Stoughton Newberry, and W. K. Anderson were also officers. Really good article, I learned a few things. Or is it just that you reject the idea that it could possibly be a frightening outcome? You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. I had already said the same thing in an earlier post, but did not use the word, misquoted and you had no problem with that. The context of my comment was that in exiting the conversation you told me you were going to give me the benefit of the doubt about my intentions. Disneyland Park is a registered trademark of The Walt Disney Company. I saw that article in my travels but didn't have time to read it and I almost posted a link to it earlier. This kind of statement makes the conversation now about me and keeps diverting the conversation away from the topic and adds lengthy discussion back and forth about me. Hi Molanic - Yes, I'm glad they are not truncating long posts any more. Pupilla - I just saw this response. As tedious as it is, I would like to get this right. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. I support first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness when evaluating any product. You evidently see no need to choose a side, but in making no choice you actually do make a choice. You give me alternative suggestions, but Im afraid you have not solved the GMO issue with your alternative suggestions at all. Live the Garden Life with garden to table recipes and home decor! Today Jiffy seed starting products are used by professional and experienced growers around the world. 0000001737 00000 n Our favorite bit of history is that SUPERthrive was used in Disneyland Parks opening in 1955 to keep the new landscaping alive in the 100 degree summer weather. I do not favor a boycott, but rather the other side of the coin. If any of that information is inaccurate, maybe someone on this thread can point out what it is. I do not think Better Boy or the entire home garden seed market makes any difference to Monsanto. So who is it that began the never ending GMO debate? I use $0.50 worth of seeds each year from it. Do you realize that is what you are saying? Which makes it difficult to discuss with you. You wrote: "Regardless of whether or not only commercial seeds are GMO, a statement by the company that sells seed to home gardeners, that they don't sell GMO seeds, helps eliminate confusion.". Ferry-Morse. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. I attempted to end the conversation very briefly without a long explanation in the comment before this one. Ferry-Morse is a company that specializes in supplying seeds. Also, government regulators are not reliable either! You're right there are plenty of companies competing for worst company status. Thanks for the reply and summarizing your GMO fears and beliefs, and how that contributes to your actions. %PDF-1.4 % I vote with my pennies, just as you do with yours. And once again - there is the old 'debate theories and rules,' that you have decided apply to our conversation. Is that your point of view? It goes against my core beliefs. You pepper your posts saying *if this and that are true*, and then you expect me to clean up that mess by answering them all? Huh? . Now look how long the post got, but no matter, you have honest reply to at least everything here. I have already answered this at least twice. Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. Pupilla - I'm sorry to tell you this, but I don't find an explanation in your post at all. I've already made my decision and I did enough research before I did to feel very comfortable with my choice. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously since before Abe Lincoln was President. [3] At the same time, the Detroit Seed Company was absorbed into the new corporation. Really? I'll have to look for them, to see if I can't expand the seed companies I do business with. I take umbrage to that comment. Nature has a non-aligned editorial board and attempts to be on the cutting edge of gold-standard research in the public's interest. Reduce their power and influence by buying from people who are trustworthy and interested in keeping the food supply unadulterated. "Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. [And you did not directly quote me before disagreeing with what I said in that instance. Nearly 70 percent of gardeners said they buy most of their seeds from mail-order vegetable seed companies. 0000509606 00000 n 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. OK, I don't know what to think about this comment other than feeling you are a bully because you say I don't listen to you but you want to force a dichotomy on me again, either answer how you want or you are not interested. Which if you had shared that, we might have found some common ground. If home gardening seed is a small portion of the seed they sell, then targeting commercial seed sales seems to be the way to go. You call this a debate and I object to the use of that term. It does not refer to anything specific and is just disrespectful. +w4'h\o6mKk/SkA2?+!>Qbl!=;EINQ$K^7i76Go]. I imagine there are many people who have stock funds that they don't even know have these stocks in them. When I entered this thread, it was a year ago, when I had the time to participate fully in a discussion. I see you can 'quote' my post, but what is it about what I said that you object to? I did not misquote you. Now headquartered in Norton, Massachusetts, we take pride in providing you with high quality products and the inspiration to bring your . You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. As should every living person on the earth. The big picture, this is just more of the False Dichotomy fallacy I discuss in my post which activists on both extremes seek to bully anyone chosing not to align themselves with the extremes. In my opinion, it should not even be legal to do that. I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply 'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleading information with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering. 0000518883 00000 n Ferry Morse seeds have thrived through the years. A more reliable source of the seed companies owned by Montsanto can be found on this link: https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. I have not responded to each point you've made because my posts would become much too long. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. Gardner & Company[2] (also known as Gardner, Ferry, and Church) in Detroit, Michigan. [3] Ferry built a new warehouse, and by 1890 was doing over a million and a half dollars in business annually. Do you realize how confusing that is? But, to be honest, that is an effect more of the monolithic style of farming that has been the standard in this country since the end of the Second World War rather than a direct result of growing genetically engineered plants. I will not throw my favorite large red hybrid tomato, developed before 1970, under the bus just because Monsanto bought it. Model # 629382.1220.199.9086. Morse & Co.[8][9] Charles Copeland Morse died abruptly in 1900, and his son Lester Morse took over the business. And here is another article, from Reuters. No. So, because I have discussed avoiding GMO seeds, I am deliberately manipulating people and bullying them and using fear as a weapon, with an argument that is illogical? No more Miracle Grow for anyone then, not even sneaking a quick shot of it! ~ GMOs dont seem to concern you is that right? No, I've read everything including all links. Now we meander into the never-ending GMO debate when and you give me about 7 points with links they you don't have time to review for quality, which have nothing to do with the boycott I objected to. Yours is a textbook statement of the fallacious logical argument of appeal to fear / argument from adverse consequences. Can we distinguish between, what you said --- that I originally said that getting the word out produced a better understanding. Invented in 1939, SUPERthrive has had a fabulous journey that few products can match all thanks to the creativity and passion of its founder, Dr. John Thomson. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. Five Ways the FDA Has Failed Consumers on Genetically Engineered Foods 2013, http://ecowatch.com/2013/03/07/fda-genetically-engineered-foods/, USDA will not take action in case of GMO alfalfa contamination, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/17/usa-alfalfa-gmo-idUSL2N0HD1SQ20130917. In 1981, the Ferry-Morse Seed Company was acquired by France's Groupe Limagrain. No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. How did you come to this conclusion? And I added as a reason - the difficulty I was having with the amount of time it was taking to respond to your comments, your analysis of me that made - me - more the topic of conversation than the subject being discussed. Besides which my overall choice to garden organically was made over 30 years ago, and open pollinated and non GMO seeds just fits right in with that point of view for me. $1.44. 0000003294 00000 n In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. Hummingbird Wildflower Mix Flower Seed. But Monsanto and Bayer had a history back to the 1950s, in a joint venture called Mobay . Now I doubt their whole list. It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. 0000519148 00000 n Ferry-Morse relocated to Kentucky in 1959. One thing is for sure. That can only be because you have failed to grasp what my concerns are and what they mean. A.W. We feel a deep sense of pride and responsibility to carry on the tradition of these brands by delivering high quality products including OMRI listed Organic plant food and 100% Non-GMO seeds. For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. 0000020576 00000 n [4] Ferry changed the company name to Ferry, Church & Co, and two years later, when Church retired,[5] Ferry changed the name again, this time to D.M. The Company is Part of a Massachusetts based privately owned gardening company known as plantation products. While it may not be the case for many people here on Gardenweb, there is generally a huge disconnect between the people and their food. You will find it is considered baloney by reliable fact-checkers that published a peer reviewed study which concluded the the rate of suicide has no correlation with the cited GMOs in India. It is one thing to be mad when a large company deprives me of seeds and has other businesses that are very profitable which can seem not to benefit consumers. In 1921, they bought the commission packet business from Morse. Monsanto will not sell GMO seeds to the Home Gardener. First of all, you dont know that. I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. If you support their companies, you have no idea what they are doing behind the scenes. And Ive further offended you, by suggesting that what I understood you to say was that you were torn about GMOs. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. I dont see why gardeners cant support small companies who are not trying to compete with high tech seed companies. The facts that it benefits them do not prove a point and are not intended to prove anything about Monsanto's commercial practices or the safety of GMOs. So you claim there is no reason to avoid any seed company. You disagreed that I said "a better understanding of an issue was gotten, simply by 'getting the word out'", which was not what I said. I haven't bought a herbicide or insecticide. All Seeds of Change seeds are 100% Organic and 100% Non-GMO. Green Garden Products does not imply any affiliation with or endorsement from The Walt Disney Company. Yes, you have the burden of fact checking any information for yourself. Boycotting Better Boy by others, as an example, hurts me, not Monsanto. Without pioneers in the field of biotechnology, we would still be battling diabetes with insulin taken from slaughterhouse animals. I'm sure that what I've had to say will not be satisfactory to you. This link gives an explanation of their position on Monsanto and GMO seeds: http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm. They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? Ive made a few points that represent my own point of view and you skip right over them in favor of suffocating the conversation with more of your own opinions and explanations and analysis. Look at how they closed down the Seeds of Change organic farm after they bought it. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. Any questions I've asked were rhetorical and require no response. You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. None of Big Ag is involved in making Florida Orange Juice GMO, so it is very different. 0000017030 00000 n [And now about you]. The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold the soil which, as it turns out, creates a well-aerated pot for healthy root growth. Those are the only tools I find useful as an independent thinker in the undecided category. I will not boycott good seed companies because Monsanto owns them. McKenzie products are available in over 4,500 garden centers, independents and major retailers across Canada.
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