On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Altec Lansings Voice of the Theatre Speakers - audioXpress The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. By And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] Just sent an email to my friend. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! Altec Altec A7 Altec Voice of the Theatre Upload or insert images from URL. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. could you say more about your experience with jubs? When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. Interesting. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? It will! I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. You cannot paste images directly. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt By I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. Sorry. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. Add to cart. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. Thank you, man! The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita It's as if the 511 was made for it! Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Upload or insert images from URL. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns Powered by Invision Community. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. Altec I can't wait to hear this setup! Quote. 2.8k. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in Clear editor. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. DM Quote CaptnBob You can post now and register later. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. Electrovoice Aristocrat vs Heresy, vs Cornwall vs Klipschorn I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. Klipschorn vs If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. Your link has been automatically embedded. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. Although I have had Khorns sound good Klipsch Klipschorn AK6 loudspeaker Page Powered by Invision Community. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Would the mod to your boards be tough? I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. Altec Are they really that different??? I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. You're in denial. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. For the Belle you can do better. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. Posted February 9, 2005. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. would love to hear it. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. ). I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. Which midrange horn images the best Both companies make speakers lots of people like. []. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Display as a link instead, Studio monitor class. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end Free shipping for many products! Just a fun debate for me. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. Affiliate programs and "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. I haven't i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. In any case, you will want to experiment with heard them, though. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? Display as a link instead, How about a University SA-H? Pasted as rich text. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. ). $1700 Firm takes all. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair Pasted as rich text. Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA Klipschorn AK6 Offers Improved Performance As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. ). WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. bluesboy WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. Bloody awesome info! Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio 3 way vs. 2 way The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. I will always love my altecs. You cannot paste images directly. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. They just disappear into the corners! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. Altec Just something different often sounds better at first. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. Price: US $4,000.00. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best.
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