Thats another one of those things like the rope that happened later. It says: And the whole earth has been corrupted by the teaching of the works of Azazel. Stephen DeYoung takes an axe to the root of the tree of Neo-Marcionite misreadings of the Old Testament prevalent in academic and popular-level biblical studies literature.Fr. And people may have heard of the mostly later tradition where theyd tie a rope to the person, to the high priest, in case he wasnt so pure and he dropped dead and they had to drag him out. Stephen: And historically, especially with 1 John, its important to note that the general epistles, which is all those letters that St. Paul didnt write, the general or catholic epistles, the ones written by other people, out of all of those, in the very early history of the Church, were being utilized by some churches and not others. The reality is more like what we were talking about tonight that we see unfold in the Scriptures with atonement and everything else, that there are these cosmic realities of spiritual warfare, of Christ defeating the powers of evil, of Christ setting us free and purifying us, making us holy and setting us apart and bringing us into his kingdom; that are cosmic realities that each of us has been given the gift of being able to participate in, in time. Andrew: Yeah, thats cool. So thats why we say this is an Angel of the Lord figure in the technical sense in the Old Testament: the Son of man, the Angel of the Lord, this second Person of Yahweh. Andrew Stephen Damick finish their three-part series on sacrifice. Andrew: Yeah, so you have two goats I suddenly remember that joke that goes around on Facebook: You have two cows and then it has this list of all these economic systems. [Laughter] Its the opposite! But the basic idea is that, as Leviticus says elsewhere, that blood is life, the blood of an animal is its life, so sin, this taint of sin and corruption, is death. That was bad for you! [Laughter] Yeah, so Azazel is caught up in all this. Stephen De Young continues his discussion through Romans Chapter 5. Stephen: Join us for our live broadcasts on the second and fourth Thursdays of the month at 7:00 p.m. Eastern, 4:00 p.m. Pacific. Fr. But, yes, this is St. Matthew is deliberately subverting a potentially anti-Semitic reading of this. One of the big questions that Fr. Fr. Fr. Why does this need to be added on? Sometimes, yeah, thats interpreted Anytime someone puts their hands on an animal, thats interpreted as meaning that theyre putting sins on it. Fr. You know what Im saying? Fr. Stephen: Right, so this purification has happened, so those animals are no longer unclean from outside the camp, and therefore, not metaphorically but literally, Cornelius, this Roman, is now also clean, just as clean as any Judean, and therefore able to receive the Holy Spirit as he does after St. Peter preaches the Gospel to him. But thats how granular we get. Fr. Fr. Fr. Stephen: He had to purify himself before he could come back into the camp. Fr. Fr. The answer is that they had to invent a new religion. Fr. And then, verse 17, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the Prophet, saying: He himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses. So Matthew is saying this is now fulfilled, the Suffering Servant passage of Isaiah, by Jesus healing ministry of sickness and demon-possession. Fr. On the Origin of Watchers: A Comparative Study of the Antediluvian Wisdom in Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions, The Antediluvian Origin of Evil in the Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions A Comparative Study, Response to Ken Ammi's review of my paper - "Were the Nephilim Genetically Psychopathic? Rather, the doctrine of God being multiple hypostases was already widely accepted even before the incarnation. Stephen: The high priest would place his hands on the goat, on its head, to designate it for this purpose, and he would What is says is he would recite the sins of Israel. And it should inspire us to cry out to the Lord for mercy with gratitude and thankfulness for all that he has done, and then that we would enter into that and to participate in it ourselves. Dr. Stephen De Young is Pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church in Lafayette, Louisiana. I liked the book, and I am so grateful for the discussions it has spawned within my own Orthodox congregation concerning the role of historical scholarship in interpreting Scripture. Okay, Im just trying to get better like Im doing a diet, a spiritual diet.. Fr. The Whole Counsel of God: Galatians, 3:19-20. [Laughter] So, yeah, thats the word itself. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, I know. Fr. Fr. He is this desert spirit. In what manner is the atoning work of Christ mediated to the world, or could we say that it is mediated to the world by the Church? But, yeah, the goat for Azazel has sins placed upon it, in contrast for the goat for Yahweh. The idea of aliens, giants and mysterious monolithic structures has become popularized. Stephen: and now Im going to take away your KJV., Fr. If you go through something, for instance, and you experience it as a kind of harrowinga purification, a cleansing, a cleaning-outas were now about to enter into Great Lent, its is a process of purification, I mean, that is what Great Lent among other things, that is what Great Lent is. But hes appropriately describing it to help you make that connection, because what are the gospels? And I looked this up: what is the earliest use of this word? Stephen: [Laughter] So, yeah, how granular do I want to go? We talked a little bit about that. [Disgusted noises] All this disillusioning. Fr. Fr. Fr. Fr. Just so you all know, its really good. Its remembered as being the decisive battle of the American Late Unpleasantness. Fr. The Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Fr. Why is that mentioned? Fr. So this sort of has positive connotations. Fr. Youre not sacrificing a goat to Yahweh and then sacrificing another goat to Azazel. [Laughter] But theres literally a text variant there. Stephen, I know how dear this is to you. Fr. So its just these common things that they had in the camp, but then theyre taken and theyre consecrated and theyre set aside by being sprinkled with blood. Hes wrapped about with a scarlet, Fr. Another fun thing from Sunday school, ruined by Fr. Stephen De Young inquires into what they reveal about the nature of Christ and His creation. Fr. So Wycliffe, who translates the very earliest English Biblewell, I should say [Sigh] the very earliest complete English Bible, [Laughter] because, you know, tip of the hat to Alfred the Great for translating portions of the gospels into Old English. The Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century Fr. We are happy to have you. Fr. Stephen: Right, and then you can add prefixes and suffixes and that kind of thing, but you have a root that is three letters. Fr. And so, start with a verse near and dear to my heart, because I spent a chunk of my life with it, and thats 1 John 2:2. The Religion of the Apostles presents the Orthodox Christian Church of today as a continuation of the religious life of the . But those were then publicly pronounced over that goat, and now that the goat has these sins on it, has the taint, the ontological taint from the peopleits sort of absorbed by that goatthat goat cant be sacrificed and cant be brought anywhere near the tabernacle, because now its totally unclean. The goat is notthis goat is not punished or abused in any way. So thats the idea. When I say scholarly I mean that the book has emerged out of Fr. Stephen: Az is a goat. Stephen De Young and Fr. In a passage drawing on his readers experiences of Jewish and of pagan ritual sacrifice, St. Paul emphasizes the continuity of the Holy Eucharist with these familiar, though now superseded, practices. Fr. Academia.edu no longer supports Internet Explorer. [Laughter]. Yeah, so why? So atonement is here to stay. Is it because its being offered to God? He is also the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast from Ancient Faith and author of the Whole Counsel Blog, as well as co-host of the Lord of Spirits podcast. Yeah. God Is a Man of War offers a fresh interpretation of Old Testament accounts of violence by exploring them through the twofold lens of Orthodox tradition and historical context. Andrew: Thank you very much, and God bless you all. So what does it mean? And then as you go out to the holy place and then to where the Levites are dwellingthe Levites and the priests have to maintain this higher level of discipline and holinessand then you get to the Israelites, who have to do this even higher level than the nations. So the first question I mean, Ill start by saying I havent read the book of Leviticus, so excuse my ignorance on this, but I have read actually, after hearing the last podcast you guys did, I was doing a little bit of reading, and I read that the priest would lay hands on both goats, like on the goat for Yahweh as well as that Is that true, or would they not lay hands on the goat for Yahweh? Andrew: Yeah, so someone comes in: So what did you do, pal? [Laughter], Fr. But is this like the one time you can touch it, when this ritual being performed, or is it sort of sprinkled from afar? Stephen: And, briefly, since you brought up the next few episodes about geography, I know Maps is going to end up on the playlist, so lets make sure its the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and not Maroon 5. So you see, for example, the teaching of the works of Azazel. For anyone who leaves the Orthodox faith for Protestantism, this becomes an easy issue to take up and throw stones back at the Orthodox Church. Fr. Fr. Romans Chapter 11 - The Whole Counsel of God - Ancient Faith Fr. Andrew: [Scoff] Yeah! Stephen De Young from Lafayette, Louisiana. Andrew: Yeah, which means its just a random toss, basically. Stephen: Yeah, it was Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Andrew: And hes driven outside of the city. Its not anti-Semitic. Product details Publisher : Ancient Faith Publishing (October 18, 2021) Language : English Paperback : 160 pages ISBN-10 : 1955890048 ISBN-13 : 978-1955890045 Item Weight : 7.5 ounces It doesnt matter if someone in the back was complaining; it doesnt matter about fake coughing: he had to do a lot of incense, because the incense was covering. Its this annual thing, so it must be a really big deal. So, just what is a giant? Fr. They think that sins are put on animals and then the animals sacrificed to Godthat never happens in the Scripture anywhere. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, and if you look at Leviticus I mean, you dont have to read the whole book of Leviticus, but if you look at Leviticus 16, which is the chapter that has this ritual in it, you can just read it, and it shows Im looking at it right now, and it says: Aaron must then present the goat which has been designated by lot for the Lord, and he is to make it a sin-offering, but the goat which has been designated by lot for Azazel is to be still alive. Then later on it makes the reference to him putting his hands on the goat for Azazel and sends it out, but theres not unless Im missing it, it doesnt actually say anything about putting his hands on the other goat. [Laughter]. The Religion of the Apostles | Fr. Stephen De Young - YouTube Lord of Spirits: Sons of God, Equal to the Angels. Andrew: All right. Stephen: And are listening to that Mexican radio station that used to come through on my microphone. The second thing that happenedand I was explicitly taught this in the Protestant church I used to attendis that because the apostles were worshiping Jesus as the Messiah, they inferred He must be God because you cant worship a merely created being. This isnt just an intellectual maneuver; this is something we can experience and participate in in real time, and thats what Lent and Holy Week and Pascha are going to be all about. Thank you. Fr. The important thing is just: you have to get the blood out of it. Andrew Stephen Damick: Thank you, Voice of Steve! And, supporting that within the Bible, is also in Leviticus 17:7, which is the very next chapterand remember, the chapter-breaks werent there originally, so this is just a couple paragraphs later at the end of the ritual for the Day of Atonementtheres the commandments that the Israelites are not to continue worshiping the goat-spirits of the wilderness. So it seems to me that Azazel is most likely one of those. Richard B. Sorensen notes, "Nephilim were said to be a race or a group of people that had distinct physical characteristics of large size and great strength" and that "the psychological characteristics of the Nephilim are not specifically described in the Bible, they are generally pictured as being very proud, belligerent, sexually aggressive, and prone to conflictThe Nephilim are portrayed as men who were tall, strong, and belligerentphysically intimidatingNephilic characteristics of height, musculature, and psychopathology." This is just in Hebrew, especially, the word that means what it says; it means cover. And the Greek word thats being used is being used to pick up that meaning within a ritual context. although not Pennsylvania, but the Emmaus that my Emmaus is named after. Two ancient sites, the Pergamon Altar in Berlin, as well as Rujum el-Hiri in the Golan Heights in Israel, will be included to demonstrate the possibility that these fallen ones may be loosed upon mankind during the time of the Time of Jacobs Trouble on earth. How the Devil Got His Hooves and Horns: The Origin of the Motif, "The Embarrassing and Alluring Biblical Giant," online at Bible and Interpretation (2 December 2015). But well get to that. Stephen De Young, have been podcasting together recently and shared about these five-ish angelic falls. Im just pointing out that you asked a perfectly logical question based on a bad translation. https://t.co/34f7bN9K4d, The intellectual life is like a love affair, or like prayer. Im like: the rope thing is awesome! Fr. Andrew: Thats fine. But the problemand we already talked about this a bit with Fr. Ive seen that myself. Andrew: Cool. Stephen: John 17, 18, and 19 also talks about this same idea, where Christthis is in the contextthis is part of the long reading on Holy Thursday eveningwhere Christ isthis is sometimes referred to as Christs high priestly prayer, appropriately enoughand Christ says in verses 18 and 19, As you sent me into the world, I have also sent them into the world, and for their sakes, I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth. And of course the truth in St. Johns gospel is Christ himself. Fr. Stephen: So, yeah, Im actually not answering your question. Stephen: Yeah, I hope youve got a pigeon, a lamb, and a young ox.. Fr. For those of you who know what that is, you know who you are. Andrew: Yeah, so the Temple has to be reconsecrated; it has to be purified. They meant, at the time, was putting man and God together at one. That was the intention. Stephen: Actually, it was sprinkled with the finger, so the high priest would have a bowl in which the blood was collected, and he smears it with his finger on pretty much everything but the ark. Stephen: Yeah. So that spacewe talked last time, when we were talking about the other offerings, that there are sort of concentric circles, and that the closer you get to where God is dwelling So God is dwelling in the holy of holies in the tabernacle, so that is the place where the threat of this corruption is most dire. Two things had to first happen for Trinitarian theology to be hammered out, or so I thought. The understanding of the geography, biblical text and the cosmological significance of the area of Transjordan, and specifically Bashan in the Bible, give valuable understanding to what Jesus expressed: And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man.". This translation introduced a Jewish flavor into the text to make the Bible more Messianic. Later on in life Ive participated in everything from Passover Seders to Messianic services in an attempt to discover the Jewish roots of my faith. The scholar on Slavonic pseudepigrapha so if you want to get into Slavonic pseudepigraphaand who doesnt?is Andrei Orlov, and hes written a ton, and a lot of its available for free on the internet, if you want to read scholarly journal articles. We understand your hunger and your thirst to know more, and we appreciate and laud that. Stephen: Yeah Heres where I have to say thats a mis-translation. Fr. I hear you. So Luke 24, you get Christ on the road to Emmaus. Fr. Fr. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, I mean, how do they fish him out? Andrew: Yeah, like the altar has be reconciled to God? And then theres this weird And then at the end of Luke: They worshiped him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy, and were continually in the Temple, blessing and praising God. Andrew: Got you. Dr. Stephen De Young is Pastor of Archangel Gabriel . Copyright 2023 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century Stephen: Yes, well, his most well-known work. Fr. Get that goat out of here. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Were going to talk about this more in the second half, but Azazel, this spirit, is seen as sort of the source of sin and corruption that has come into the camp, and so its basically being sent back to it. God Is a Man of War: The Problem of Violence in the Old Testament It may be the case that this scholarship does vindicate the claims of Orthodox Church, but much more work needs to be done connecting the dots. Fr. Stephen began dismantling many assumptions that had been part of the taken-for-granted background to my understanding of Christian origins. Fr. Disclaimers. But its the only is an adverb, not an adjective. Stephen: And we dont normally think about Cain a lot, but when we do we think about the story of Cain and Abel and, oh yeah, hes a murderer; hes a bad guy. We might go a little further if we understand that the body is this nexus of powers or potentialities, to say, well, all of the human powers and all of the human capacities, but for St. Athanasiusand St. Irenaeus does something very similar before him by a couple of centurieshe means spatio-temporally, that Christ not only sanctifies humanity in its parts and in its powers, but the moments of a human lifebirth, childhood, young adulthood, adulthood, up to and including a human deathand that by living through those, not just, again, spatially, but temporally, those things are sanctified and purified by the union of Christs divinity and humanity in his Person. Stephen: And the way hes said to do that, in 1 John 3:8, is that Christ appears to destroy the works of the devil.. Special request. Fr. Andrew: Right! Stephen: The Antiochus was obviously a family name of the Seleucid dynasty, and they all took these titles. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, ooh. You take it back.. Andrew: Its a response. And then, so the Israelites are referred to as sheep sort of all through the Old Testament, and their leaders as shepherds, because theyre these sheep who are now set free from Egypt and brought out into this new pasture, all of that symbolism. He holds a PhD in Biblical Studies from Amridge University. Andrew: Alas. Fr. I mean, St. Matthew is himself a Jewanti-Semitic?hes writing the most Jewish of the gospels, the most Hebraized of the gospels! So Greek words in the New Testament are treated as these sort of independent entities without reference to what theyre translating, and then that allows you to pack a whole bunch of things in. Fr. Fr. Fr. Paul's "Works of the Law" in the Perspective of Second Century Fr. All right. Like, what did the altar do that it had to atone? The Bible refers to people who are (generically) tall, (generically) very tall, or (generically) of great stature. But within this context of atonement, that Christ assumes the whole human experience, and therefore heals it all. If you have a Facebook account you should probably delete it, but if you cant, like our Facebook page and join our Facebook discussion group where well be your oasis amongst the evils of social media. Indeed, under the Law, almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. That last part, of course, often gets quoted out of context. Stephen De Young concludes St. Paul's letter to the Galatians, by discussing chapters 5 and 6. Fr. And a very well-known biblical scholar and a very good biblical scholar, Simon Gathercole, who wrote the magisterial material on the Gospel of Thomas, for example, amongst many other great things, did a book a few years ago on atonement, trying to defend the particular atonement theory of penal substitutionary atonement. You get these atonement theories that are then theories of how it works from Gods end; how God does it. Fr. Instagram, RSS & iTunes With the exception of a few details, there is nothing that a good Catholic or Protestant shouldnt be able to say a hearty Amen to. Stephen: In fact, its canonically forbidden to bring livestock into the church. Consequently, I greeted the arrival of Fr. Hes clarifying; hes making it abundantly clear: This is not a sacrifice to Azazel. Orthodox Christian priests Fr. Fr. Stephen: So where combinations have been made. They meant it to him for evil, but he meant it for good. Fr. He also discusses Chapter 10 in its entirety. Stephen: Yeah, I mean you may have to deal with this mercy-seat stuff, but now you know how that works, so youre all set for Leviticus. As if. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Right. It was dedicated with blood; now its purified again and made holy again with blood. Andrew: That would be a long, long list. Fr. He wants them to repent of those sins and to be purified by his coming. Stephen: Thats a reference you probably didnt get, but you laughed anyway. Can you hear me? Email Newsletter, Terms of Use Privacy Policy Permissions Content Disclaimer. Im like, its: You have two goats And now theres going to be all these rumors: See? Fr. Fr. But people have sort of imbibed this idea, so they sort of cite it. Fr. Okay, all right, well then, well dip back into Hebrews which references all of this. Andrew: Aw man. Okay, perfect example; this is probably the classic example: Matthew 27:25, where the people say in response to Pilate, His blood be upon us and upon our children. Now, given everything we just said about the blood of the goat, and given everything you should know if youre a Christian about what the blood of Christ does, if his blood is upon you, thats actually good. Fr. If you didnt get a chance to call in during the live broadcast, wed love to hear from you either via email at lordofspirits@ancientfaith.com, or you can message us at our Lord of Spirits podcast Facebook page. Because obviously, if you interpret it purely as related to sins and the forgiveness of sins, then not everyone in the world has their sins forgiven, but And so you have to And thats where Peter Lombard in the eleventh century comes up with the idea of sufficiency and efficiency, that Christs sacrifice is sufficient for the world but not efficient for the world, and on and on and on. Sorry, I will not get tired. Fr. Fr. Maybe Fr. Andrew, or the Orthodox Church, or anyone else just coming and bashing on Western churches and saying, Ha ha ha! In the Orthodox Church, Greek is kind of our base language for theology and liturgy and so forth. Disclaimers, Pauls Works of the Law in the Perspective of Second Century Reception, by Matthew J. Thomas A Review, John the Presbyter: Eusebius Imaginary Friend. Stephen: In any way. Pauls Works of the Law in the Perspective of Second Century Reception, by Matthew J. Thomas A Review, Easily the most important work in Pauline Studies, and likely in Biblical Studies as a whole, of the current decade, In the previous post, Eusebius of Caesareas attempt to divide out a second Elder John other, John the Presbyter: Eusebius Imaginary Friend, Many common staples of modern Biblical scholarship of the 20th century are complicated edifices built on some small mention in, In the previous post, the visit of the Theotokos to St. Elizabeth was discussed with particular reference to St. Luke. [Laughter], Fr. The first is that Orthodox Christianity had to interact with heresies, resulting in various doctrinal formulas such as Trinitarian doctrine. Stephen: And so, yes, theres the figure, especially in the Apocalypse of Abraham, hes named Yahoel, this Angel of the Lord figure, who serves as the high priest for this eschatological Day of Atonement. In addition to chapters on the Trinity and atonement, the book features sections on the powers of the spiritual world, the saints, creation, Israel, and the law of God. Andrew Stephen Damick in Emmaus, Pennsylvania, and joining me tonight is my co-host, Fr. Fr. Fr. Fr. One of these beliefs concerned the Jewish origins of the New Testament. Is atonement purely theoretical? God bless you. Stephen De Young, I felt I had finally come home. Hey, its the sin-goat!, Fr. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, and most Semitic languages work this way, so if any of our listeners are Arabic-speakers, which I know some are, its again those three consonants make up pretty much every word in Arabic. Stephen, where is that word from? The Lord of Spirits en Apple Podcasts Now, a couple notes. You know, that makes total sense. So hes not sacrificed to Azazel. Fr. We dont know that there were any prayers said when it was killed. Stephen: This goat-spirit of the wilderness is then picked up in a lot of later imagery, probably the most famous being Baphomet, this sort of Satan-figure or devil-figure. Send it out. Genesis, 6:1-4. And where does that actually first show up? Fr. Theres a lot of people standing around; this is the person whom were setting apart for this purpose. Fr. According to the transliterations of the ancient literary corpus of the Near Eastern and Western Civilizations, evil has been extant since the beginning of time: it arguably reared its head in the first book of the Old Testament (Gen. 3.1, 4.8, 6.1-4); Mesopotamian literature, antedating the Pentateuch by at least several centuries, describes wars, the wraths of the gods, and a tyrannical king; and, originating millennia earlier, Sumerian poems depict spiritual anguish in the afterworld and tribal warfare. Stephen: Yeah, so I dont want to get too granular about this, because theres actually, when you get into literature about thisI did my dissertation related to this, so I read all the literature on this. Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century Fr. Stephen De Young finishes up the discussion of Revelation, Chapter 12, and starts on Chapter 13. Fr. He picks up this idea of the eschatological Day of Atonement, and he says, Its Christ. Andrew: Yeah, which were actually about to show you how its the opposite. [Laughter]. We will find that the only reading of the Bible that results in tall tales about "giants" is not a literal one but one which I call a theo-sci-fi eisegetical (pseudo) hermeneutic. They come into power in the same way that our sin brings us under the power, brings us into bondage under those hostile powers. Now that dome is expanded to encompass the whole world, because Christnot only does he not just send the stuff back to Azazel, he gets rid of Azazel. That mentions Azazel, doesnt it? Stephen: Right, and through theology that had developed in Latin, they had an idea of what that was supposed to mean, or what it had come to mean theologically, and so they were really translating that. Fr. Journal of Biblical Literature 106 (1987), pp. Fr. One is that he is not sacrificed to Azazel. I will not. So in short, because our first two halves were already more than half of our time this evening, so were not going to go through the whole work, St. Athanasius talks about atonement as happening through the Incarnation, that by God becoming man, he, by virtue of his holiness as Godthat same holiness that they couldnt see and live on the Day of Atonement in the Old Testamentby becoming man he purifies humanity, not just in terms of, like We tend to think of this in quasi-spatial terms, almost like the human body seen as a physical thing. Fr. I am the biggest nerd anyone will ever meet. Again, this isnt just a random connection. [Laughter] How many times have we said now: The killing is not ritualized in any way? The A-Team. We cannot really begin considering "giants" unless and until we define that vague, genetic, subjective term (and I can think of 5-6 definitions). I do I will say, I acknowledge the King James Bible has some errors in it, translation errorsand we just lost all of our KJV-only listeners the one. Its amazing.
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