Held her like this, threw the pitch down the stairs. HART MCKINNY: I couldn't believe it. The jury ultimately found Simpson not guilty, and on July 5, 1996 Fuhrman was charged with perjury for lying about his use of racial slurs on the stand. FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. We searched him again and found the gun. HART MCKINNY: No. - Speaking about superior officer in LAPD, 'You know these people here, we got all this money going to Ethiopia for what. You know they're caught between dimensions. That way, said Cochran, Ito could . I'm sorry for that. The Fuhrman Tapes (with Transcript) from the O.J. PHILLIPS: Bernard Parks was an LAPD deputy chief when Fuhrman came up to promotion. HART MCKINNY: No. They're easy. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. But it's really their natural response. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. PHILLIPS: What were you thinking when he was saying those things? He told us what he observed and what he had been hearing about the men against women and the WAF, the White Angle Faction police. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. No, I didn't. Judge Ito's final decision on the Fuhrman tapes . FUHRMAN: Their response is what? . What did he mean by that? PHILLIPS: Did you feel a need to protect him? . The Fuhrman tapes revealed. So then Mark Fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you look at him in the eye and say? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? Superior Court Judge John Reid said York was not relevant to the case after listening to the tapes, and the trial resumed soon after. PHILLIPS: And whatever happened to McKinny's screen play? They're full of white guys that wear cowboy boots.' PHILLIPS: Disturbing. PHILLIPS: So it just empowered you. . FUHRMAN: No, sir. PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com That's all I can do.'. He had been the first to arrive at Simpson's home the night of the murders because he was familiar with the property, having been there in 1985 while responding to a report of domestic abuse made by Nicole against her then husband. BERNARD PARKS, DEPUTY CHIEF LAPD: I made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's background and not give them an opportunity to put the department in a bad light. HART MCKINNY: He did. That brief recording heard by the jury was taken from 13 hours of interviews between Fuhrman and screenwriter Laura McKinny recorded between 1985 and 1994, with the last tape being made a month after Simpson was charged in his wife's murder. Fuhrman, a key witness in the O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you stop and think about what you should next do? Why didn't you give him the 77th lie detector test? It was a misplaced effort and I did it the wrong way. While this was connected to a known event, only one suspect was treated for minor injuries caused by another officer. "Further, there was evidence that the Men Against Women officers would ostracize male officers who did not support their boycott against female officers. PHILLIPS: Is it true you were offered $250,000 for them? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you say on your oath that you have not addressed any black person as a nigger or spoken about black people as niggers in the past 10 years, Detective Fuhrman? And he said I work with them and they're incompetent. Jury & Witness Lists Well, on 2/25 I observed the defendant not only kiss but touch on ass of the female officers. Yes, sir. There must be some evidence in the record from which counsel might argue, however reasonably or unreasonably, that Fuhrman moved a glove from the Bundy crime scene to the defendant's Rockingham residence for the purpose of placing blame for two brutal and savage murders upon the defendant. PHILLIPS: Does it feel good to talk about this? If leaks of the Mark Fuhrman tapes are accurate, it's a force that revels in heating, shooting, harassing, framing and intimidating suspects, among other finer police tactics. - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? I was extremely scared. I did not, silence. Trial Transcripts To feed a bunch of dumb n****** that their own government won't even feed.' Go for Shapiro, he's an a******.'. Their natural response is split. PHILLIPS: He won. PHILLIPS: Exactly what McKinny needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the Los Angeles police department? Simpson trial. "[6][7], The tapes, as well as Fuhrman himself, became central to the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. The defense proffers include 41 examples of Fuhrman using the particular racial epithet in question and 18 examples of misconduct argued to be relevant on the issue of Fuhrman's credibility and willingness to fabricate. Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. Mark Fuhrman told you he personally he felt trapped. PHILLIPS: And then you lost on appeal. - On police methods, 'N*****. I used to practice my kicks.' I was extremely nervous. HART MCKINNY: Yes. Two questions. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tenured officers, he and the other officers would sit in the back and throw paper or pencils and make loud and vulgar comments as the watch commander read our names and they say she is a pig and things like that. Celebrations she found unimaginable. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. Now a CNN exclusive, excerpts from the Mark Fuhrman tapes you've never heard and the woman who recorded him. O.J. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. HART MCKINNY: I hate it when people are cruel to each other and thought it's got to be happening not just here. I think he was being truthful. This assertion is not supported by the record. - Speaking about threats to police, 'She was afraid. HART MCKINNY: I have three sons. . They called themselves MAW -- men against women. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. the efforts of Suzanne Chin Langley. How did it unfold before you thought this guy can help me? "[13], The Los Angeles Police Department conducted an investigation to determine the validity of Fuhrman's claims on the tapes. PHILLIPS: Who lied on the stand. Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. They can arm wrestle 6'7" n******.' HART MCKINNY: No. I really believe that if I could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that I could help inform people. Where were you going? PHILLIPS: Coming up, tribunals and kill parties. It was also revealed during the trial that Det. Meeting here at the park in the dead of night, what was your reaction? . Fuhrman was the first cop on the scene. MORRIS: He told me I needed to go and dance on soul train. "I want my private life back and I'm never going to have it." FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you got to be violent. He said may I speak with Laura Hart McKinny and I said this is she but I didn't recognize the voice. He did specify he knew it was stemming from Fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. Fuhrman says on the tapes: "I had 66 allegations of brutality.. under cover of authority, assault and battery under cover of authority. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations. HART MCKINNY: I think those tape spoke volumes. Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes, https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/01/us/excerpts-from-the-ruling-on-the-fuhrman-tapes.html. PHILLIPS: In 1985 McKinny met Mark Fuhrman in Los Angeles, ten years before the O.J. During the course of the presentation of the prosecution's case in chief, Fuhrman testified without objection that he had not used a particular racial epithet in the past 10 years. HART MCKINNY: Was very pleased that we won and thought that is the end of it, great. He said in that interview that he had not told a 'willful lie' on the stand, claiming; 'I never remembered those tapes. The Fuhrman tapes are 13 hours of taped interviews given by Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman to writer Laura McKinny between 1985 and 1994. FUHRMAN: If I go down they lose the case. HART MCKINNY: Yes. We have two people dead at the scene. BAYAN LEWIS, FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEF, LAPD: Because the command staff that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? So if you use that, you get a lot of laughs from lot of policeman. PHILLIPS: However, there was, as Fuhrman describes, a way to avoid being quote put on trial. Trial Transcripts Either they get off the street or they are going to have some split-tail for a partner. McKinny also testified in the Simpson case without the jury present to determine if the tapes she recorded would be used at trial. It fails to support the admissibility of these incidents of alleged misconduct as prior bad acts or evidence of custom and habit. HART MCKINNY: It hasn't been good, I will say. Because of Fuhrman's discovery of a bloody glove at the Rockingham residence and its scientific significance, he is a significant although not essential witness against the defendant. Well, I'm going to Fatburger. FUHRMAN: I guarantee you every Hitler's birthday there's a celebration behind closed doors. And I'm sorry to be the one to bring it to the forefront in such a grossly insensitive way. "[15] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flames are jumping about 25 feet in the air -- PHILLIPS: A city torture by a history of racial rage. . In graphic passages from the audio tapes that have come to dominate the O.J. Did you feel safe during all of that? He didn't belong. - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? That is just right out. I said I mean you guys actually go to the park after work and just drink beer and then great women? FUHRMAN: Guys get a lot of time on the street, but now they are studying. their faces were just mush. , updated As a result, the defense team worked hard to discredit him at the trial, with lawyer F. Lee Bailey hinting through his questions during cross examination that Fuhrman might be a racist who planted the glove at Simpson's home. The underlying assumption requires a leap in both law and logic that is too broad to be made based upon the evidence before the jury. After O.J. There will be a bingo moment or I get chills and when I get chills I can help somebody else get chills. HART MCKINNY: He was trying to articulate the depth of his soul. To drive this home, Bailey at one point asked Fuhrman if he had ever used a racial slur, specifically the n-word, at any point in the past 10 years. Want to know what they said during those sidebars in the criminal trial? HART MCKINNY: Yes, it's time. We have to be willing to be vulnerable. How did we even let him stay on the job? Fuhrman was being interviewed by a woman named Laura. If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. PHILLIPS: But those tapes have also done exactly what McKinny started out to do. It is therefore relevant and admissible as impeachment. MORRIS: Yes. Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. HART MCKINNY: The thought of a kill party takes your breath away. He later says; 'Well, the funny thing about it is just like the attorney said, `For the rest of your life, this is you: you're bloody glove Fuhrman, that's it. Greg Lefevre, Correspondent . Your charges are as follows. . PHILLIPS: Coming up O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over the 10 -- PHILLIPS: Johnny Cochran had everything he wanted. This is the confidential personnel version of that report. In addition to his repeated usage of the n-word, Fuhrman also describes a number of racially-motivated attacks which were allegedly committed by members of the LAPD and at one point even talks about using an innocent woman as a human shield - mand then throwing her down the stairs. HART MCKINNY: No. - On female police officers, 'They have a bunch of n****** up there, two guys, they're like 5'6", they got punched right in the face.' He didn't know where Fatburger was? Judge Ito's first ruling on the Fuhrman tapes . The profanity-laden recordings took place over a period of almost 10 years, from 1985 to 1994. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? - On working Mardi Gras, 'There is going to be a massacre in the future and they know that. To feed a bunch of dumb n***** that their own government won't even feed.'. 'They had pictures on the walls, there was blood all the way to the ceiling with finger marks like they were trying to crawl out of the room.'. PHILLIPS: Really? And I think everybody's better for it. Moment commuter blasts eco-zealots, Royal superfans camping on The Mall ahead of King's Coronation, Women's rights activists and pro-trans campaigners separated, Cambridge students party in the park during annual celebrations, Russian freight train derails and bursts into flames after explosion, Historic chairs to be reused by the King for the coronation service, Hundreds of Household Division members rehearse for coronation, Braverman: People crossing Channel are 'at odds with British values', 'You motherf***ers don't understand': Bam Margera details 'turmoil', Ukraine drone strike hits major fuel depot in port Sevastopol. They also did not hear the 39 other times Fuhrman used the n-word tapes obtained by the defense. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? It was horrible for us because it had a huge impact on the O.J. In the end no proof could be found that 17 of the incidents ever even occurred, and investigations into the other 12 did not find any concrete proof of misconduct. They didn't want to be detectives but now they see the writing on the wall. Simpson was found not guilty? Somebody's got to make the decision. PHILLIPS: In 1997 the task force released this report, keeping secret portions of the tapes. It is pretty tough, huh?' Judge Lance Ito ruled against use of the tape . PHILLIPS: Why? HART MCKINNY: We had a romance. Fuhrman was the cop who \"noticed\" a speck of blood on O.J. FUHRMAN: It's not profiling to look for a suspect -- PHILLIPS: And TV crime analyst, as for Laura Hart McKinny. PHILLIPS: Tribunals. Fuhrman also uses the slur while explaining his reasons for possibly pulling over a motorist, saying; 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him. FUHRMAN: My ass is on the line, because if the media gets a hold of this, although we can say - well, we've been in negotiations for years, months whatever. . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anything out of a nigger's mouth for the first five or six sentences is a lie. He said yeah. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: What was it you couldn't say then that you can tell me now? In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. [Women] don't pack those qualities." PHILLIPS: Are you glad that Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? Why? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every rank up through captain. - On LAPD coworker who took up fencing, 'I used to go to work and practice movements. And he was blaming the department for his stress, because of those issues that he had. Outside the presence of the jury, Fuhrman was questioned by the defense team, invoking his Fifth Amendment right on all questions, including the question, "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to Suits, Motions and Court Orders The court finds that each involves Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet in a disparaging manner within the time frame posed by the cross-examination and in contradiction to his testimony before the jury. In the tapes Fuhrman also made many references to the "planting of evidence" and implied that police brutality and evidence planting were common practice in the Los Angeles Police Department. HART MCKINNY: I could tell there was a story - I didn't t know what the story was that I was - to deal with him. PHILLIPS: So she is telling her story, her truth and for the first time excerpts from the Fuhrman tapes you've never heard, vulgar, sexist. He even compared Fuhrman's actions to those of Hitler at one point in his speech. See the article in its original context from. That fact almost derailed the entire Simpson case for both sides and came dangerously close to causing a mistrial. Another time he is complaining about members of the force no longer being allowed to use certain methods of force on suspects. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive combined National Guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. FUHRMAN TAPES The court has read and considered the Defense Offer Of Proof Re: "Fuhrman Tapes", the amendments to the original offer of proof, the responses filed by the prosecution, listened to the redacted audio tapes, read and considered the multiple transcripts of the redacted audio tapes, and heard the argument of counsel. PHILLIPS: What was a typical outcome of these mock trials, these tribunals? Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue. HART MCKINNY: Can I use all those? I don't know if you've heard that before, but what's your reaction to that? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He shined his light and just sat there. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hundreds of inert views were conducted and nearly a quarter of a million documents were reviewed. His response surprised her. . We'd love to investigate just some good 'ol boy beating up a n***** in a bar."' - On a police division, 'He grew up in school with all blacks, and every time a n***** looked at him, he'd jump them cause he figured they were going to jump on him, so he might as well start the fight right now and get it over with.' Screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny was interested in writing a screenplay and a novel about the experience of women police officers. The probative value of the evidence of Fuhrman's use of racial epithets comes from the fact that he has testified that he has not used the term in the last 10 years, thereby impacting his credibility. - On his hometown, 'When I came on the job all my training officers were big guys and knowledgeable, some n*****'d get in their face, they just spin 'em around, choke 'em out until they dropped.' All n******, n***** training officers, n*****( with three years on the job. HART MCKINNY: He just sort of stopped and -- a woman cop? The defense may present McKinny's testimony as follows: b. The defense proffer essentially argues that because Fuhrman allegedly suppressed information given to him by Rosa Lopez that was arguably favorable to the defendant, it can be assumed that he would plant the glove. PHILLIPS: What if somebody had come towards you? Did you even realize at the time that was such a vulgar name for a woman? [9], Fuhrman was charged with perjury for his testimony at the trial. PHILLIPS: But infamous is very different from famous. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To sell. PHILLIPS: So when you heard about men against women and this group of guys making it their mission to intimidate and harass women, did you believe it? 22nd and Western. I thought whoa. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. He pleaded no contest to the charges in October of that year and received three-years probation, making him the only person involved in the Simpson case to be convicted on any charges. - Speaking about LAPD changes, 'If I'm wrestling around with some f****** n*****, and he gets me in my back, and he gets his hands on my gun. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. In the transcript, Fuhrman tells screenwriter and professor Laura Hart McKinny about the investigation of a shooting at a housing project in the Hollenbeck Division, which includes Boyle. Simpson -- that is until Simpson's defense team discovered recordings of Fuhrman speaking about his racist views, a career of police brutality, and routine evidence tampering to a writer. Actor Columbus Short is 'caught cheating' by video vixen wife Karrine Steffans who airs their dirty laundry on social media, Oscar-winning actress Patty Duke dies aged 69 ofsepsis from a ruptured intestine, EXCLUSIVE: Victory: Janice Dickinson is 'very happy' after judge rules her lawsuit against disgraced comedian Bill Cosby over rape allegations can go to trial, THE 41 TIMES MARK FUHRMAN USES RACIAL SLUR ON TAPES, Saboteurs wreck Russian train cut power cables 37mi from Ukraine, Moment large saltwater crocodile snatches pet dog off beach in QLD, 'We're not your enemies!' - On America aid to Africa, 'People there don't want n****** in their town. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. The day after the tapes were played for the jury, Fuhrman once again took the witness stand and said to every question asked by the defense; 'I wish to assert my 5th Amendment privilege.'. FUHRMAN: I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege. Get in the car.' PHILLIPS: Morris says she was so scared she didn't finish her shift that night. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 42 times? Nor would I have a reason to. Fuhrman was the detective who found a bloody glove on Simpson's estate. "Research shows women officers are more skillful at de-escalating potentially violent situations than their male counterparts, and so MAW's efforts to drive women out only exacerbates the LAPD's excessive force problems," explained Harrington, "The Fuhrman tapes reveal just how aggressively women police officers are shunned for their more community-oriented policing skills and their refusal to go along with using excessive force. Where's Fatburger. How do you plead? The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. [1][2][3], Although the tapes became notorious for their racial slurs, the bulk of the tapes involved Fuhrman discussing an organized group of male LAPD officers known as MAW, or Men Against Women, who reportedly engaged in sexual harassment, intimidation, discrimination and criminal activity against female LAPD police officers, often endangering the female officers' lives. [9] Regarding police brutality towards suspects, "just about everything Fuhrman told McKinny, which could be connected to an actual event, was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the facts", the report concluded. I have no idea why. . HART MCKINNY: I didn't go out of the house for a while. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use in the word -- describing people? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Simpson you are charge with the crime of murder. PHILLIPS: She told Fuhrman she was writing about a woman cop. Simpson trial. And you go how could this have happened to us? 'We searched him again and found the gun. . PHILLIPS: Voices like Tia Morris. You can't handle a man. [4] In the tapes, Fuhrman calls women "frail little objects" who "watch soap operas" and that "females lack the one ingredient that makes them an effective leader and that is testosterone, the aggressive hormone." PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. This glove was later determined to be the mate of another glove found at the murder scene and to be soaked in the blood of both victims. This is a conversation we're . [4][5] In a taped interview to McKinney in 1985, Fuhrman bragged about his leadership in MAW, a secret organization within the LAPD that reportedly had 145 members in five of the city's 18 police divisions during its heyday in the mid-1980s.
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